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	<title>Comments on: LETTER:  Hotel Owner Gammino: My Investment Was Based on Personal Passion for Cape Charles</title>
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		<title>By: Susan Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Bauer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After that whole sordid affair with Michael Vick that occurred not too far over the big bridge from Cape Charles, dog fighting aphorisms leave me a bit cold.  In the future could we classify ourselves as whether or not we have &quot;skin in the game?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After that whole sordid affair with Michael Vick that occurred not too far over the big bridge from Cape Charles, dog fighting aphorisms leave me a bit cold.  In the future could we classify ourselves as whether or not we have &#8220;skin in the game?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Creed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Creed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the last post, I swear. If I try and post again, someone come over here and slap me! 

But you&#039;re right Brucie, the OSCC has taught me to be like a dog with a bone, and I just can&#039;t let it go. I just wanted to bring up that the petition is kind of bogus, and to try and use it as leverage, as if there was some sort of majority buried in the data did not prove to be true. Besides, I even saw Karl Marx&#039;s name (ok, maybe it&#039;s the guy&#039;s real name?). Trying to use this kind of thing to influence policy, especially policy that affects the authority of our boards (remember Bruce, you and I serve on a board too, so we have to watch our brothers&#039; backs), should be fought to the end. Besides, I don&#039;t see how the opinion of some tourist from CA or Iceland should carry any weight in local policy. 

Mike, 12,700 bad reasons will never replace one good for me, but let&#039;s talk about what we do agree on: As much as it rubs me wrong, I believe the Hotel is a beautiful asset to our downtown, and should be left alone, given  a certificate to operate, and just let them start getting ready for the next season. The horse is out of the barn, the train has left the station. Just sign the paper and move on. 

But like I said, I’ve learned to be a dog with a bone and I just won’t let it go completely. We have to be very, very clear that this is not a precedent, and this thing will never happen like this again. That we have faith in our HRB, and we will support their decisions (so when Wayne Creed decides to paint that mural on the side of his house depicting scenes from the 1970s classic Debbie Does Dallas, the HRB will have the authority to shut him down). 

One thing we’ve learned in the OSCC fight is that the Historic Tax Credit terrain is very treacherous, and it would behoove us to do as much as we can to empower, not emasculate our HRB.  Ultimately our businesses, tax base, and property values will depend on it. 

I’m done! No more! Make me stop!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the last post, I swear. If I try and post again, someone come over here and slap me! </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right Brucie, the OSCC has taught me to be like a dog with a bone, and I just can&#8217;t let it go. I just wanted to bring up that the petition is kind of bogus, and to try and use it as leverage, as if there was some sort of majority buried in the data did not prove to be true. Besides, I even saw Karl Marx&#8217;s name (ok, maybe it&#8217;s the guy&#8217;s real name?). Trying to use this kind of thing to influence policy, especially policy that affects the authority of our boards (remember Bruce, you and I serve on a board too, so we have to watch our brothers&#8217; backs), should be fought to the end. Besides, I don&#8217;t see how the opinion of some tourist from CA or Iceland should carry any weight in local policy. </p>
<p>Mike, 12,700 bad reasons will never replace one good for me, but let&#8217;s talk about what we do agree on: As much as it rubs me wrong, I believe the Hotel is a beautiful asset to our downtown, and should be left alone, given  a certificate to operate, and just let them start getting ready for the next season. The horse is out of the barn, the train has left the station. Just sign the paper and move on. </p>
<p>But like I said, I’ve learned to be a dog with a bone and I just won’t let it go completely. We have to be very, very clear that this is not a precedent, and this thing will never happen like this again. That we have faith in our HRB, and we will support their decisions (so when Wayne Creed decides to paint that mural on the side of his house depicting scenes from the 1970s classic Debbie Does Dallas, the HRB will have the authority to shut him down). </p>
<p>One thing we’ve learned in the OSCC fight is that the Historic Tax Credit terrain is very treacherous, and it would behoove us to do as much as we can to empower, not emasculate our HRB.  Ultimately our businesses, tax base, and property values will depend on it. </p>
<p>I’m done! No more! Make me stop!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Lindeman</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2012/12/letter-hotel-owner-gammino-my-investment-was-based-on-personal-passion-for-cape-charles-but-was-not-prudent/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Lindeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the person in Iceland was a guest at the Hotel this summer.  A guest who paid a good price for his/her/their room.  They ate in town, most likely.  They paid meal taxes.  They likely shopped at one or more of the local shops.  They spent a lot of money here.  I don&#039;t remember the stats, but the estimate that an average ampount of money a guest spends in our town is not insignificant.

My point being that without that guy from Iceland -- and everyone else who comes to this town and spends money here -- there is no fight to which to bring a dog.  It&#039;s that insular view of the world that is restricting our growth and contributing to the un-business friendly approach many have in this town.  The if-you-ain&#039;t-from-here-you-don&#039;t-matter belief.  I&#039;m tired of it.  Everyone has a say.  Everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the person in Iceland was a guest at the Hotel this summer.  A guest who paid a good price for his/her/their room.  They ate in town, most likely.  They paid meal taxes.  They likely shopped at one or more of the local shops.  They spent a lot of money here.  I don&#8217;t remember the stats, but the estimate that an average ampount of money a guest spends in our town is not insignificant.</p>
<p>My point being that without that guy from Iceland &#8212; and everyone else who comes to this town and spends money here &#8212; there is no fight to which to bring a dog.  It&#8217;s that insular view of the world that is restricting our growth and contributing to the un-business friendly approach many have in this town.  The if-you-ain&#8217;t-from-here-you-don&#8217;t-matter belief.  I&#8217;m tired of it.  Everyone has a say.  Everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Kuzma, Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Kuzma, Jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne, I can give you almost 2,700 reasons why I DO have a dog in this fight. Here&#039;s an equation: goes to your point regarding &quot;kids in our schools&quot;:

Hotel &quot;A&quot; operates, and sheds $20,000.00 a year in taxes.

Hotel &quot;B&quot; is refused an operating license and lays fallow, driving the owners into bankruptcy and they leave. You stood on principles, and now CC gets $0.00 in taxes from that business. 

Which is more beneficial to the school system?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, I can give you almost 2,700 reasons why I DO have a dog in this fight. Here&#8217;s an equation: goes to your point regarding &#8220;kids in our schools&#8221;:</p>
<p>Hotel &#8220;A&#8221; operates, and sheds $20,000.00 a year in taxes.</p>
<p>Hotel &#8220;B&#8221; is refused an operating license and lays fallow, driving the owners into bankruptcy and they leave. You stood on principles, and now CC gets $0.00 in taxes from that business. </p>
<p>Which is more beneficial to the school system?</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Creed</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2012/12/letter-hotel-owner-gammino-my-investment-was-based-on-personal-passion-for-cape-charles-but-was-not-prudent/#comment-1770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Creed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at the data in the petition, of the 235+ and growing, only about 70 were actually from Cape Charles. Of those names, I only recognized 15 or so from the Historic District.  However, there is even somebody from Iceland that apparently signed it (even some from CA, MI and CT). Iceland? Really? To be fair I&#039;m sure the guy from Iceland  gets &#039;it&#039;, (but still brother, if you don&#039;t live here full time, your kids don&#039;t go to our schools, and you don&#039;t even register your vehicles here, I&#039;m not convinced you have a dog in this fight.).

However,  it must be said, that this petition appears to have many of the same traits as the original application that was turned into the Historic Review Board. Just sayin&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the data in the petition, of the 235+ and growing, only about 70 were actually from Cape Charles. Of those names, I only recognized 15 or so from the Historic District.  However, there is even somebody from Iceland that apparently signed it (even some from CA, MI and CT). Iceland? Really? To be fair I&#8217;m sure the guy from Iceland  gets &#8216;it&#8217;, (but still brother, if you don&#8217;t live here full time, your kids don&#8217;t go to our schools, and you don&#8217;t even register your vehicles here, I&#8217;m not convinced you have a dog in this fight.).</p>
<p>However,  it must be said, that this petition appears to have many of the same traits as the original application that was turned into the Historic Review Board. Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Lindeman</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2012/12/letter-hotel-owner-gammino-my-investment-was-based-on-personal-passion-for-cape-charles-but-was-not-prudent/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Lindeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne -- I know the OSCC stuff, among other Town issues, has you down.  But, that stuff aside, CC is very much a vibrant town and you&#039;re a big part of that.  There&#039;s so much good going on in town that we shouldn&#039;t let what&#039;s going on on Plum Street tie us in knots.  I&#039;m not blind to what&#039;s going on there.  I&#039;m just choosing to compartmentalize that stuff and enjoy all the other good things going on in Town, my neighbors, and friends.  I hope you can do the same. We may not agree on certain issues, but that&#039;s perfectly okay with me.  You&#039;re a good man and a vital part of our town&#039;s fabric.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne &#8212; I know the OSCC stuff, among other Town issues, has you down.  But, that stuff aside, CC is very much a vibrant town and you&#8217;re a big part of that.  There&#8217;s so much good going on in town that we shouldn&#8217;t let what&#8217;s going on on Plum Street tie us in knots.  I&#8217;m not blind to what&#8217;s going on there.  I&#8217;m just choosing to compartmentalize that stuff and enjoy all the other good things going on in Town, my neighbors, and friends.  I hope you can do the same. We may not agree on certain issues, but that&#8217;s perfectly okay with me.  You&#8217;re a good man and a vital part of our town&#8217;s fabric.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Zuidema</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Zuidema]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mr. Creed.  Thank you for the clarification.  I do not think I have ever typed in all caps, I certainly udnerstand the proper etiquette of these forums.  I understand these issues can be contentious and I am disappointed that anyone would feel that they cannot walk around Cape Charles with their head held high. Best wishes to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr. Creed.  Thank you for the clarification.  I do not think I have ever typed in all caps, I certainly udnerstand the proper etiquette of these forums.  I understand these issues can be contentious and I am disappointed that anyone would feel that they cannot walk around Cape Charles with their head held high. Best wishes to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Creed</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2012/12/letter-hotel-owner-gammino-my-investment-was-based-on-personal-passion-for-cape-charles-but-was-not-prudent/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Creed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Craig Zuidema, you are absolutely correct sir, dripping sarcasm is a nice way to put it, as I can no longer walk around this town with a straight face. However, in my stupidity, general ignorance, and normal state of confusion, I do believe I confused your posting with somebody who types in all caps. My apologies to you sir.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Craig Zuidema, you are absolutely correct sir, dripping sarcasm is a nice way to put it, as I can no longer walk around this town with a straight face. However, in my stupidity, general ignorance, and normal state of confusion, I do believe I confused your posting with somebody who types in all caps. My apologies to you sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Lindeman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Lindeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne -- In response to your comment &quot;...which exposed an uncanny human ability to just not get it...&quot;,   I think those 200+ (and counting) people do indeed get it.  

The &quot;it&quot; being that these 200+ people are looking at the bigger picture here and not just precedents.  What good is a precedent if it is discordant with what the majority of the people say is the right thing to do?  I don&#039;t know if 200+ is the majority or not, but I&#039;ll assume it&#039;s the majority until proven otherwise.  

Also, while I am as concerned about the Town&#039;s handling of the old school as you are, that is an entirely separate issue that has nothing to do with how the HRB adjudicated on this property.   

A lot of folks have come to the defense of the developer in this case because we understand that guidelines are just that. There is leeway built in to them on purpose for these specific reasons.  I&#039;ve read the guidelines.  As Mr. Campbell previously noted, they are not law.  They are guidelines.  But, they should be considered as part of the whole, not exclusively, when applied to situations such as this.  

No one here is saying that the developer did not err.  He admitted as much.  But, it&#039;s now time for the town to determine a win-win solution so the developer can re-open this coming spring and we can collectively move on.

Signed,

A &quot;Rogue Home Owner&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne &#8212; In response to your comment &#8220;&#8230;which exposed an uncanny human ability to just not get it&#8230;&#8221;,   I think those 200+ (and counting) people do indeed get it.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;it&#8221; being that these 200+ people are looking at the bigger picture here and not just precedents.  What good is a precedent if it is discordant with what the majority of the people say is the right thing to do?  I don&#8217;t know if 200+ is the majority or not, but I&#8217;ll assume it&#8217;s the majority until proven otherwise.  </p>
<p>Also, while I am as concerned about the Town&#8217;s handling of the old school as you are, that is an entirely separate issue that has nothing to do with how the HRB adjudicated on this property.   </p>
<p>A lot of folks have come to the defense of the developer in this case because we understand that guidelines are just that. There is leeway built in to them on purpose for these specific reasons.  I&#8217;ve read the guidelines.  As Mr. Campbell previously noted, they are not law.  They are guidelines.  But, they should be considered as part of the whole, not exclusively, when applied to situations such as this.  </p>
<p>No one here is saying that the developer did not err.  He admitted as much.  But, it&#8217;s now time for the town to determine a win-win solution so the developer can re-open this coming spring and we can collectively move on.</p>
<p>Signed,</p>
<p>A &#8220;Rogue Home Owner&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Lascu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana Lascu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somebody will certainly pay for this one way or another, so I am contemplating solutions - and hoping the hotel would not change. If it does, that would be a shonda from many perspectives, not least as a huge loss to the developer. I do agree, $40,000 is not just Chanukah gelt, but it is not the six figures alternative. And it would go for a good cause ( library) that even Thomas Jefferson might  approve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody will certainly pay for this one way or another, so I am contemplating solutions &#8211; and hoping the hotel would not change. If it does, that would be a shonda from many perspectives, not least as a huge loss to the developer. I do agree, $40,000 is not just Chanukah gelt, but it is not the six figures alternative. And it would go for a good cause ( library) that even Thomas Jefferson might  approve.</p>
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