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	<title>Comments on: SHORE THING: Town Tries New Angle in Park Toilet Appeal</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Kuzma, Jr</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/01/shore-thing-town-tries-new-angle-in-park-toilet-appeal/#comment-3985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Kuzma, Jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel, Sorry to beat a dead dog but I disagree. There is a PERFECT place in the park for the community toilet facilities  -- it&#039;s called Old School Cape Charles -- which woulda&#039; made a GREAT municipal complex and community center.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, Sorry to beat a dead dog but I disagree. There is a PERFECT place in the park for the community toilet facilities  &#8212; it&#8217;s called Old School Cape Charles &#8212; which woulda&#8217; made a GREAT municipal complex and community center.<br />
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		<title>By: Daniel Burke</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/01/shore-thing-town-tries-new-angle-in-park-toilet-appeal/#comment-3983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Burke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the interest of accuracy, I would like to point out that last evening&#039;s vote by the Planning Commission was not whether or not to allow toilet facilities in The Park, or what said facilities should look like. Those issues have already been addressed by The Town Council.

The vote by The Planning Commission was limited to, very simply: where within the park should said facilities be located. There seemed to be no &quot;ideal&quot; location, but based on access to water and sewage and other constraints the curent &quot;staked&quot; area was judged to be the best alternative. Based on this issue alone I voted for the current location.

My personal opinion, and separate from The Planning Commission, is that toilet facilities in the park is a solution awaiting a problem. I think they will add very little value. And, oh by the way, to the nice people of Citizens for Central Park: in the interest of park sanitation please use your considerable influence to lobby for enforcement to penalize those disgusting people who refuse to clean up after their dogs in the beautiful park that you all worked so hard to create.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interest of accuracy, I would like to point out that last evening&#8217;s vote by the Planning Commission was not whether or not to allow toilet facilities in The Park, or what said facilities should look like. Those issues have already been addressed by The Town Council.</p>
<p>The vote by The Planning Commission was limited to, very simply: where within the park should said facilities be located. There seemed to be no &#8220;ideal&#8221; location, but based on access to water and sewage and other constraints the curent &#8220;staked&#8221; area was judged to be the best alternative. Based on this issue alone I voted for the current location.</p>
<p>My personal opinion, and separate from The Planning Commission, is that toilet facilities in the park is a solution awaiting a problem. I think they will add very little value. And, oh by the way, to the nice people of Citizens for Central Park: in the interest of park sanitation please use your considerable influence to lobby for enforcement to penalize those disgusting people who refuse to clean up after their dogs in the beautiful park that you all worked so hard to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Lindeman</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/01/shore-thing-town-tries-new-angle-in-park-toilet-appeal/#comment-3977</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Lindeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The drainage problem in the park is linked to the drainage problem on our streets:  there is no water runoff system in place and never was one.  To me, a major flaw in Alexander Cassatt&#039;s grand plan for Cape Charles when he designed it.  

There&#039;s simply nowhere for the water to go.  Witness a really good rain and what happens at such intersections as Monroe and Plum.

French drains in the park might help.  But, I&#039;m no engineer and the scale at which such drains would have to be built would be fairly cost prohibitive, I suppose.  But such solutions should definitely be explored!  

I love the park.  It&#039;s a great space to toss a frisbee or kick a soccer ball with the kids.  But if the &#039;skeeters are a-biting, it can be downright miserable!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The drainage problem in the park is linked to the drainage problem on our streets:  there is no water runoff system in place and never was one.  To me, a major flaw in Alexander Cassatt&#8217;s grand plan for Cape Charles when he designed it.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s simply nowhere for the water to go.  Witness a really good rain and what happens at such intersections as Monroe and Plum.</p>
<p>French drains in the park might help.  But, I&#8217;m no engineer and the scale at which such drains would have to be built would be fairly cost prohibitive, I suppose.  But such solutions should definitely be explored!  </p>
<p>I love the park.  It&#8217;s a great space to toss a frisbee or kick a soccer ball with the kids.  But if the &#8216;skeeters are a-biting, it can be downright miserable!</p>
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		<title>By: Tracie Van Dorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracie Van Dorpe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an idea - how about we fix the drainage problems that plague the park and try to fix the horrific mosquito situation. That would be a good use of time &amp; money.  Portable bathrooms seem to work just fine for the five events that happen in the park every year.  Good golly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea &#8211; how about we fix the drainage problems that plague the park and try to fix the horrific mosquito situation. That would be a good use of time &amp; money.  Portable bathrooms seem to work just fine for the five events that happen in the park every year.  Good golly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Lindeman</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/01/shore-thing-town-tries-new-angle-in-park-toilet-appeal/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Lindeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George (or others who know)... what is defined as &quot;historic&quot; with regards to how buildings in the historic district are so deemed -- according to code?  Not looking for what someone &quot;thinks&quot; it means, but what&#039;s defined in the code.

A building built in the 1980&#039;s is historic in the sense that it is of the past.  The definition of &quot;historic&quot; from the Merriam-Webster dictionary:  &quot;dating from or preserved from a past time or culture &quot;.  In other words, a 1980&#039;s pump station is of a &quot;past time&quot;, thus historic.  One could certainly argue the degree to which it is historic, as compared to other such structures in the district.  But, it is of a past time, for certain, thus historic -- if you take the Merriam-Webster definition at face value.

Point being, at what point do we determine something is historic?  Antique?  Old?  Pretty?  Ugly?  These are all subjective questions that elicit varying answers based on one&#039;s perspective.

Hopefully, our historic district guidelines have a tighter definition than Merriam-Webster :)

Just playing devils advocate here.  Really not taking one side or the other.


&lt;em&gt;Good question, Bruce. You&#039;ll find answers in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.capecharles.org/pdf/historic/cchistguide.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cape Charles Historic District Guidelines&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.capecharles.org/documents/ZO-ArticleVIII-HistoricDistrictOverlay_revised02-09-12.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Historic District Overlay&lt;/a&gt; to the town&#039;s zoning ordinance. The Overlay defines the historic district as roughly bounded by Bay Avenue to the west, Mason Avenue to the south, Fig Street to the east, and Washington Avenue to the north. Within that area are 529 &quot;contributing structures&quot; and 38 &quot;noncontributing structures.&quot; If the sewer pump station is a &quot;contributing structure&quot; I will eat my hat! -- GEORGE&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George (or others who know)&#8230; what is defined as &#8220;historic&#8221; with regards to how buildings in the historic district are so deemed &#8212; according to code?  Not looking for what someone &#8220;thinks&#8221; it means, but what&#8217;s defined in the code.</p>
<p>A building built in the 1980&#8217;s is historic in the sense that it is of the past.  The definition of &#8220;historic&#8221; from the Merriam-Webster dictionary:  &#8220;dating from or preserved from a past time or culture &#8220;.  In other words, a 1980&#8217;s pump station is of a &#8220;past time&#8221;, thus historic.  One could certainly argue the degree to which it is historic, as compared to other such structures in the district.  But, it is of a past time, for certain, thus historic &#8212; if you take the Merriam-Webster definition at face value.</p>
<p>Point being, at what point do we determine something is historic?  Antique?  Old?  Pretty?  Ugly?  These are all subjective questions that elicit varying answers based on one&#8217;s perspective.</p>
<p>Hopefully, our historic district guidelines have a tighter definition than Merriam-Webster <img src="https://capecharleswave.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Just playing devils advocate here.  Really not taking one side or the other.</p>
<p><em>Good question, Bruce. You&#8217;ll find answers in the <a href="http://www.capecharles.org/pdf/historic/cchistguide.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cape Charles Historic District Guidelines</a> and the <a href="http://www.capecharles.org/documents/ZO-ArticleVIII-HistoricDistrictOverlay_revised02-09-12.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Historic District Overlay</a> to the town&#8217;s zoning ordinance. The Overlay defines the historic district as roughly bounded by Bay Avenue to the west, Mason Avenue to the south, Fig Street to the east, and Washington Avenue to the north. Within that area are 529 &#8220;contributing structures&#8221; and 38 &#8220;noncontributing structures.&#8221; If the sewer pump station is a &#8220;contributing structure&#8221; I will eat my hat! &#8212; GEORGE</em></p>
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