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	<title>Comments on: The Way We Were: 9 Years Ago in the New York Times</title>
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		<title>By: Mary Finney</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/09/the-way-we-were-9-years-ago-in-the-new-york-times/#comment-18331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Finney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Sep 2013 11:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too bad there isn&#039;t a &quot;like&quot; button here; I would definitely be using it for Wayne&#039;s comments above. He hits the nail on the head, as usual.

Reading through some of these comments, I am impressed by how tightly some folks clutch those rose-colored glasses to their eyes. It brings to mind a little saying from Mark Twain: Denial ain&#039;t just a river in Egypt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad there isn&#8217;t a &#8220;like&#8221; button here; I would definitely be using it for Wayne&#8217;s comments above. He hits the nail on the head, as usual.</p>
<p>Reading through some of these comments, I am impressed by how tightly some folks clutch those rose-colored glasses to their eyes. It brings to mind a little saying from Mark Twain: Denial ain&#8217;t just a river in Egypt.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Bender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Sep 2013 03:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see where some folks get a little tired of everything always leading back to the Old School debate.  Yes, it comes up a lot. Problem is that the underhanded way that the town worked this &quot;deal&quot; is exactly what has irritated the heck out of so many people. People that have lived in this town their entire lives. People whose fathers and mothers attended the Historic Old School.  People that could have moved elsewhere but chose to stay because they love their little town.  It has been a sad, hateful mess that has gone on for 1 1/2 years so far. 

Perhaps, if some of the people that have moved here from other places would just stop and put themselves into the shoes of the families who truly wanted a community center for our children and grandchildren, maybe, just maybe, those same people would understand just a little of how this has divided a community. Perhaps if what happened to us happened to them in the town that they were raised in and love, maybe they could have a better understanding of how we feel.

Now because of what the &quot;powers that be&quot; have done, the mayor, town council, and both manager and assistant manager are being watched and caught doing more dirty deals. It&#039;s sad, really, because while we all thought our little town was being run properly by the people we have put into office and by the people that all of our tax dollars pay (and quite well I might add), what was really happening was back room deals, poor money management, and lots of lying and cheating. Now, none of the people that are &quot;onto them&quot; can rest because day in, day out, more dirty laundry shows up. We cannot let this little group of players continue to run our sweet little town into the ground. There are many nice people that have moved here and I know and am friends with lots of them.  The difference between us is that I moved here in 1976 and have never tried to make this town into anything remotely like where I came from.  I don&#039;t want it to change and I sure as heck do not want to see an apartment building sitting in our beautiful new park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see where some folks get a little tired of everything always leading back to the Old School debate.  Yes, it comes up a lot. Problem is that the underhanded way that the town worked this &#8220;deal&#8221; is exactly what has irritated the heck out of so many people. People that have lived in this town their entire lives. People whose fathers and mothers attended the Historic Old School.  People that could have moved elsewhere but chose to stay because they love their little town.  It has been a sad, hateful mess that has gone on for 1 1/2 years so far. </p>
<p>Perhaps, if some of the people that have moved here from other places would just stop and put themselves into the shoes of the families who truly wanted a community center for our children and grandchildren, maybe, just maybe, those same people would understand just a little of how this has divided a community. Perhaps if what happened to us happened to them in the town that they were raised in and love, maybe they could have a better understanding of how we feel.</p>
<p>Now because of what the &#8220;powers that be&#8221; have done, the mayor, town council, and both manager and assistant manager are being watched and caught doing more dirty deals. It&#8217;s sad, really, because while we all thought our little town was being run properly by the people we have put into office and by the people that all of our tax dollars pay (and quite well I might add), what was really happening was back room deals, poor money management, and lots of lying and cheating. Now, none of the people that are &#8220;onto them&#8221; can rest because day in, day out, more dirty laundry shows up. We cannot let this little group of players continue to run our sweet little town into the ground. There are many nice people that have moved here and I know and am friends with lots of them.  The difference between us is that I moved here in 1976 and have never tried to make this town into anything remotely like where I came from.  I don&#8217;t want it to change and I sure as heck do not want to see an apartment building sitting in our beautiful new park.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Creed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Creed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Even if we&#039;re in a state of hopelessness, a sense of expectation is an integral part of our relationship to time. Hopelessness is possible only because we do hope that some good, loving someone could come. If that&#039;s what Heidegger meant, then I agree with him.” --Jacques  Derrida.

Now for the Positive!

The NYT&#039;s article certainly highlights the Faustian bargain the Town entered into, selling off moral integrity in order to achieve an illusion of wealth, power, and success (can&#039;t hide from Marlowe and Goethe any more though, as the Devil always gets his due).

The Dora Sullivan quote regarding the plight of the poor, &quot;That&#039;s just life,&quot; was most enlightening. Pretending to care from one side of the mouth, selling them out with the other. Perfect, just perfect. It was heartening to see that all the shifty, two-faced trickery Old School Cape Charles has had to endure when dealing with this crowd was not so much a Natural Born talent, but an art and craft borne after years of practice, hard work, and experience.

”If they want to be a part of the community, then why is there a (apartheid) gate over there?”  Nursing a beer can bring clarity -- this guy saw the writing on the wall way back then. Even if not all of them live behind it, the gate has achieved its aim, successfully dividing the town along distinctly philosophical, spiritual, and financial lines. &quot;Almost half of the population of the world lives in rural regions and mostly in a state of poverty. Such inequalities in human development have been one of the primary reasons for unrest and violence.&quot; --Abdul Kalam. 

More disgustingly, it’s hard to get past the fact that the same crowd that supported and aided Bonadeo, Panek, and Sullivan in stealing the Old School from the ordinary people, will be drinking delicate wines at the new Private Beach Club, and toasting the sunset and the joys of life, while the rest of us will be forced to endure a sleazy apartment complex in our School Park.

In the most corrupt fashion, they supported a Mayor and Council willing to spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars to give away a historic theater stage (in the Old School auditorium; it will be demolished and turned into a tacky two-bedroom apartment) that is over 100 years old, probably the oldest on the Eastern Shore (Harbor for the Arts?), yet for some odd reason, chose not to go after Sinclair Communications and the rest of Bay Creek, to at least attempt to get the money owed the ordinary people. If the Town attorney says he won’t go after them, fire him and get a pit bull that will.

Meanwhile, back in Town, far away from the Private Beach Club, full-time residents of the old section (those that actually have a stake in the new  Warsaw Ghetto), hunch over and issue foul oaths at those responsible for defiling the Old School with cheap low-rent apartments, and watch suspiciously as they construct the new toilet in the park. . . .

On a more positive, upbeat note, Bruce, my brother, glad to see the Lindeman Pollyanna Express is still in service -- maybe you can sell tickets. At this point I may even buy one myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if we&#8217;re in a state of hopelessness, a sense of expectation is an integral part of our relationship to time. Hopelessness is possible only because we do hope that some good, loving someone could come. If that&#8217;s what Heidegger meant, then I agree with him.” &#8211;Jacques  Derrida.</p>
<p>Now for the Positive!</p>
<p>The NYT&#8217;s article certainly highlights the Faustian bargain the Town entered into, selling off moral integrity in order to achieve an illusion of wealth, power, and success (can&#8217;t hide from Marlowe and Goethe any more though, as the Devil always gets his due).</p>
<p>The Dora Sullivan quote regarding the plight of the poor, &#8220;That&#8217;s just life,&#8221; was most enlightening. Pretending to care from one side of the mouth, selling them out with the other. Perfect, just perfect. It was heartening to see that all the shifty, two-faced trickery Old School Cape Charles has had to endure when dealing with this crowd was not so much a Natural Born talent, but an art and craft borne after years of practice, hard work, and experience.</p>
<p>”If they want to be a part of the community, then why is there a (apartheid) gate over there?”  Nursing a beer can bring clarity &#8212; this guy saw the writing on the wall way back then. Even if not all of them live behind it, the gate has achieved its aim, successfully dividing the town along distinctly philosophical, spiritual, and financial lines. &#8220;Almost half of the population of the world lives in rural regions and mostly in a state of poverty. Such inequalities in human development have been one of the primary reasons for unrest and violence.&#8221; &#8211;Abdul Kalam. </p>
<p>More disgustingly, it’s hard to get past the fact that the same crowd that supported and aided Bonadeo, Panek, and Sullivan in stealing the Old School from the ordinary people, will be drinking delicate wines at the new Private Beach Club, and toasting the sunset and the joys of life, while the rest of us will be forced to endure a sleazy apartment complex in our School Park.</p>
<p>In the most corrupt fashion, they supported a Mayor and Council willing to spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars to give away a historic theater stage (in the Old School auditorium; it will be demolished and turned into a tacky two-bedroom apartment) that is over 100 years old, probably the oldest on the Eastern Shore (Harbor for the Arts?), yet for some odd reason, chose not to go after Sinclair Communications and the rest of Bay Creek, to at least attempt to get the money owed the ordinary people. If the Town attorney says he won’t go after them, fire him and get a pit bull that will.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back in Town, far away from the Private Beach Club, full-time residents of the old section (those that actually have a stake in the new  Warsaw Ghetto), hunch over and issue foul oaths at those responsible for defiling the Old School with cheap low-rent apartments, and watch suspiciously as they construct the new toilet in the park. . . .</p>
<p>On a more positive, upbeat note, Bruce, my brother, glad to see the Lindeman Pollyanna Express is still in service &#8212; maybe you can sell tickets. At this point I may even buy one myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Batchelor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Batchelor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2013 03:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe in keeping it positive.  I, too am invested in the success of Cape Charles since 2007.  We had friends visiting from Hamilton, NJ for Labor Day Weekend and the entire family loved it.  It was the small charm feel, along with the fishing, not so crowded beach and the food.  They enjoyed Shanty, Aqua and the Chinese Restaurant next to Food Lion.  To top it off, we got around in a golf cart and saved filling up the car tank.  Cape Charles is diamond in the rough.  Tear it down to build it better...but always lift us up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in keeping it positive.  I, too am invested in the success of Cape Charles since 2007.  We had friends visiting from Hamilton, NJ for Labor Day Weekend and the entire family loved it.  It was the small charm feel, along with the fishing, not so crowded beach and the food.  They enjoyed Shanty, Aqua and the Chinese Restaurant next to Food Lion.  To top it off, we got around in a golf cart and saved filling up the car tank.  Cape Charles is diamond in the rough.  Tear it down to build it better&#8230;but always lift us up!</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Hallerman</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/09/the-way-we-were-9-years-ago-in-the-new-york-times/#comment-18281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Hallerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too believe in Cape Charles.  I remember reading this article a year after I built in Bay Creek.  While I know the Wave is Cape Charles-focused, the compare-and-contrast from 2004 could have been written about many communities that thought the housing boom would go on forever.  If the financial sector, the economic pundits, and the U.S. government all bought into the housing dream, why then wouldn&#039;t a beautiful, coastal town like Cape Charles -- and a man like Dickie Foster -- do the same? I don&#039;t like what happened with Bay Creek, I don&#039;t like that the town banked on real estate development, but you know what? Housing prices are coming back to realistic levels and perhaps the real estate market is picking up.  Cape Charles has benefitted from the spending dollars and the business acumen of those who &quot;came here&quot; during the boom, and, no, the town would not be better off if we had just stayed home.  Like Bruce and Dana said, let&#039;s work together and value each other&#039;s unique contributions and make a better town.  We can&#039;t go back to the &quot;good old days&quot; because they really weren&#039;t all that good, and we will do much better to look ahead to what we can accomplish. And one more thing: Given the constant theme of the posts, I suggest that the &quot;Wave&quot; is an inaccurate name.  A wave is something that fluidly moves to and fro with the changing currents.  It doesn&#039;t stand in place.  A wave is also a gesture of greeting and welcome.  It is a symbol of inclusion.  Why don&#039;t you call this what it is? &quot;Three Degrees of Old School Cape Charles.&quot;  Because no matter what the topic, we always come back around to the school building and the basketball court.  The reference in the above article to Bay Creek&#039;s community center is completely irrelevant to the Old School, but hey, you made it work.  There it is!  And if I were a traveling salesman selling portable basketball goals, I would dribble my way to the Eastern Shore and make a drive up the middle right into Cape Charles, where the demand for basketball hoops greatly exceeds the supply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too believe in Cape Charles.  I remember reading this article a year after I built in Bay Creek.  While I know the Wave is Cape Charles-focused, the compare-and-contrast from 2004 could have been written about many communities that thought the housing boom would go on forever.  If the financial sector, the economic pundits, and the U.S. government all bought into the housing dream, why then wouldn&#8217;t a beautiful, coastal town like Cape Charles &#8212; and a man like Dickie Foster &#8212; do the same? I don&#8217;t like what happened with Bay Creek, I don&#8217;t like that the town banked on real estate development, but you know what? Housing prices are coming back to realistic levels and perhaps the real estate market is picking up.  Cape Charles has benefitted from the spending dollars and the business acumen of those who &#8220;came here&#8221; during the boom, and, no, the town would not be better off if we had just stayed home.  Like Bruce and Dana said, let&#8217;s work together and value each other&#8217;s unique contributions and make a better town.  We can&#8217;t go back to the &#8220;good old days&#8221; because they really weren&#8217;t all that good, and we will do much better to look ahead to what we can accomplish. And one more thing: Given the constant theme of the posts, I suggest that the &#8220;Wave&#8221; is an inaccurate name.  A wave is something that fluidly moves to and fro with the changing currents.  It doesn&#8217;t stand in place.  A wave is also a gesture of greeting and welcome.  It is a symbol of inclusion.  Why don&#8217;t you call this what it is? &#8220;Three Degrees of Old School Cape Charles.&#8221;  Because no matter what the topic, we always come back around to the school building and the basketball court.  The reference in the above article to Bay Creek&#8217;s community center is completely irrelevant to the Old School, but hey, you made it work.  There it is!  And if I were a traveling salesman selling portable basketball goals, I would dribble my way to the Eastern Shore and make a drive up the middle right into Cape Charles, where the demand for basketball hoops greatly exceeds the supply.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Bonadeo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy Bonadeo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to both Dana and Bruce for the positive comments about our Town.  I believe in Cape Charles and those that help to keep it a wonderful place to live, to work, or to visit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to both Dana and Bruce for the positive comments about our Town.  I believe in Cape Charles and those that help to keep it a wonderful place to live, to work, or to visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Lindeman</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/09/the-way-we-were-9-years-ago-in-the-new-york-times/#comment-18276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Lindeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is STILL a lot of energy and enthusiasm in Cape Charles!  I love Cape Charles.  I love the people, most of all.  I love the water.  Our beach, harbor, park, and its close proximity by kayak or boat to the Barrier Islands.  I love the shops, getting in the car and exploring the backroads of the Shore.  I love my awesome neighbors, the restaurants, chatting with the shopkeeps, and, of course, my garden.  

Yes, you can poke Cape Charles with a stick every time it stumbles, but if that&#039;s what you enjoy, then you&#039;re not living.  It&#039;s a small town with hard working people trying to make a go of it, mixed with part-timers (myself included), and vacationers.  There&#039;s always going to be friction between all of us and room for improvement in how our town operates.

Frankly, I&#039;m over the bashing of this town.  I have no stake in the old school, the waste water treatment plant/Rt. 13 sewerage line, the bank building, and, most of all, the town council.  I&#039;m simply a historic district home owner who loves this town.  No, my head is not buried in the sand.  No, I&#039;m not a Pollyanna (nod to my friend, Wayne).  I understand the issues.  I get it.  But, enough bashing. You can call this journalism if you like.  I don&#039;t care.  I call it largely editorial and one-sided.

Build up.  Don&#039;t tear down.  Fix the problems.  Don&#039;t just throw stones.  Be objective.  Be fair.  Don&#039;t name call and toss out accusations.  We&#039;re all neighbors trying to make this town a great place to live.  Yes, even the people you have issues with.  Instead, get in the arena yourself and fight the fight.  Don&#039;t sit on the sideline and complain about it.  If you can do better, then get yourself elected and see what you can do.  I&#039;m all for that.  But, the negativity and hate is appalling and is not helping.  It&#039;s dividing.  And I&#039;m over it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is STILL a lot of energy and enthusiasm in Cape Charles!  I love Cape Charles.  I love the people, most of all.  I love the water.  Our beach, harbor, park, and its close proximity by kayak or boat to the Barrier Islands.  I love the shops, getting in the car and exploring the backroads of the Shore.  I love my awesome neighbors, the restaurants, chatting with the shopkeeps, and, of course, my garden.  </p>
<p>Yes, you can poke Cape Charles with a stick every time it stumbles, but if that&#8217;s what you enjoy, then you&#8217;re not living.  It&#8217;s a small town with hard working people trying to make a go of it, mixed with part-timers (myself included), and vacationers.  There&#8217;s always going to be friction between all of us and room for improvement in how our town operates.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m over the bashing of this town.  I have no stake in the old school, the waste water treatment plant/Rt. 13 sewerage line, the bank building, and, most of all, the town council.  I&#8217;m simply a historic district home owner who loves this town.  No, my head is not buried in the sand.  No, I&#8217;m not a Pollyanna (nod to my friend, Wayne).  I understand the issues.  I get it.  But, enough bashing. You can call this journalism if you like.  I don&#8217;t care.  I call it largely editorial and one-sided.</p>
<p>Build up.  Don&#8217;t tear down.  Fix the problems.  Don&#8217;t just throw stones.  Be objective.  Be fair.  Don&#8217;t name call and toss out accusations.  We&#8217;re all neighbors trying to make this town a great place to live.  Yes, even the people you have issues with.  Instead, get in the arena yourself and fight the fight.  Don&#8217;t sit on the sideline and complain about it.  If you can do better, then get yourself elected and see what you can do.  I&#8217;m all for that.  But, the negativity and hate is appalling and is not helping.  It&#8217;s dividing.  And I&#8217;m over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Lascu</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/09/the-way-we-were-9-years-ago-in-the-new-york-times/#comment-18275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana Lascu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article. Still remember when I was leafing through the paper version of the NY Times and jumped with delight landing on the article. Thank you for bringing it back with updates. There was so much energy and enthusiasm at that time....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Still remember when I was leafing through the paper version of the NY Times and jumped with delight landing on the article. Thank you for bringing it back with updates. There was so much energy and enthusiasm at that time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Sacco</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2013/09/the-way-we-were-9-years-ago-in-the-new-york-times/#comment-18273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio Sacco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 06:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It could change, maybe something BIG, like a sports center, or a casino, or a Disney Park, or a four year college, or a conference center, or a rehabilitation center for our wounded military, or a Crape Myrtle Festival, or a big and tall Federal building, or a Barrier Island camp ground, or an outlet shopping mall on 13 . . . . There I go dreaming again. Forget it, this purgatory will never change as long as the Celtics are in charge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could change, maybe something BIG, like a sports center, or a casino, or a Disney Park, or a four year college, or a conference center, or a rehabilitation center for our wounded military, or a Crape Myrtle Festival, or a big and tall Federal building, or a Barrier Island camp ground, or an outlet shopping mall on 13 . . . . There I go dreaming again. Forget it, this purgatory will never change as long as the Celtics are in charge.</p>
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