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	<title>Comments on: #9 Story An Outsider’s Inside View of Bay Creek’s Beach Club</title>
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		<title>By: Dana Lascu</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-174964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana Lascu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2015 22:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It affects everyone in Cape Charles if the &quot;beach&quot; club is going to be another failed project. How much does Bay Creek owe the town/county in taxes? How much does it owe for the sewer plant? And how much more is it going to owe in the future if this club will not have enough members to sustain it? We need someone exacting, like Heinz Sommer -  thanks for the budget insights in the Mirror! - to ask all the relevant questions. 

I can safely assume that the club doesn&#039;t have too many members by looking at the handful of cars parked there daily, even in full tourist season. So yes, it is relevant to all of us if we will have another white elephant in town. Also, there is not much marketing of the facility, it has no visibility beyond a drive-by presence on the way to the beach. Maybe, with some selling, I might see a reason to become a member. Or not. Love the story, George!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It affects everyone in Cape Charles if the &#8220;beach&#8221; club is going to be another failed project. How much does Bay Creek owe the town/county in taxes? How much does it owe for the sewer plant? And how much more is it going to owe in the future if this club will not have enough members to sustain it? We need someone exacting, like Heinz Sommer &#8211;  thanks for the budget insights in the Mirror! &#8211; to ask all the relevant questions. </p>
<p>I can safely assume that the club doesn&#8217;t have too many members by looking at the handful of cars parked there daily, even in full tourist season. So yes, it is relevant to all of us if we will have another white elephant in town. Also, there is not much marketing of the facility, it has no visibility beyond a drive-by presence on the way to the beach. Maybe, with some selling, I might see a reason to become a member. Or not. Love the story, George!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Downs</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-174956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Downs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading this article a second time, I still come away with the same opinion, which is, WHO GIVES A *&amp;^% what anybody thinks about something they will not be involved with? What a stupid, petty article this is.

&lt;em&gt;Steve: Please refrain from reading the article a third time. --EDITOR&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this article a second time, I still come away with the same opinion, which is, WHO GIVES A *&#038;^% what anybody thinks about something they will not be involved with? What a stupid, petty article this is.</p>
<p><em>Steve: Please refrain from reading the article a third time. &#8211;EDITOR</em></p>
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		<title>By: David Gay</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-32873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Gay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2014 01:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t we all just get along? The fact is that Cape Charles and Bay Creek need each other to grow and prosper. Neither can do it alone. We don&#039;t have a viable population to afford the services that we so desperately need at this end of the County like Emergency Care, clean water, and good schools.
Maybe we should try to meet at one of the eating establishments some weekend or during the week to discuss how we can all work together and make our town a better place for all of us. It would give us a chance to get to know one another, understand our motivations, enjoy some good Cape Charles cooking and support one of our merchants. Simple ground rules: bring your ideas and no pot shots.  If interested let me know via email (&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:davidg23310@gmail.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;davidg23310@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;) and I will see what I can do to set something up that works for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we all just get along? The fact is that Cape Charles and Bay Creek need each other to grow and prosper. Neither can do it alone. We don&#8217;t have a viable population to afford the services that we so desperately need at this end of the County like Emergency Care, clean water, and good schools.<br />
Maybe we should try to meet at one of the eating establishments some weekend or during the week to discuss how we can all work together and make our town a better place for all of us. It would give us a chance to get to know one another, understand our motivations, enjoy some good Cape Charles cooking and support one of our merchants. Simple ground rules: bring your ideas and no pot shots.  If interested let me know via email (<a href="mailto:davidg23310@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">davidg23310@gmail.com</a>) and I will see what I can do to set something up that works for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: John Boytos</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-32871</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Boytos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2014 00:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just found out that Bay Creek is the only place on the east coast that has wind -- and a beach club not on the beach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found out that Bay Creek is the only place on the east coast that has wind &#8212; and a beach club not on the beach.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Creed</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-32869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Creed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2014 00:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Chandler: It would seem to be a grand mistake to underestimate the &quot;consistent&quot; minority. And really, this close to Martin Luther King&#039;s birthday. I would also remind you to be careful not to take us for granted; it was of course the consistent minority (with the help of some strategic planning on the part of Rochembeau) that led to Cornwallis&#039; surrender at Yorktown, was it not? Although in our case, we&#039;re so rag tag and insular, we probably resemble Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys more -- that was a fun night at Fort Ticonderoga, wasn&#039;t it?  &quot;Come out of there you sons of British whores, or I&#039;ll smoke you out!&quot; --Ethan Allen. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

&lt;em&gt;Boys, boys, the war is over -- and so is this exchange between gentlemen. The Wave decrees it. --EDITOR&lt;/em&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Chandler: It would seem to be a grand mistake to underestimate the &#8220;consistent&#8221; minority. And really, this close to Martin Luther King&#8217;s birthday. I would also remind you to be careful not to take us for granted; it was of course the consistent minority (with the help of some strategic planning on the part of Rochembeau) that led to Cornwallis&#8217; surrender at Yorktown, was it not? Although in our case, we&#8217;re so rag tag and insular, we probably resemble Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys more &#8212; that was a fun night at Fort Ticonderoga, wasn&#8217;t it?  &#8220;Come out of there you sons of British whores, or I&#8217;ll smoke you out!&#8221; &#8211;Ethan Allen. The more things change, the more they stay the same.</p>
<p><em>Boys, boys, the war is over &#8212; and so is this exchange between gentlemen. The Wave decrees it. &#8211;EDITOR</em> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Chandler</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-32863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Chandler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 23:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And there we have it. That consistent minority just can&#039;t help themselves. 

And Mr. Creed, carefully re-read my comment. Your comment says far more about your view of Cape Charles than it does mine. Oh, and the good people of Cape Charles, they&#039;re the ones that want to see the town grow and prosper, rather than those who are so desperate to sell-up and ship-out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there we have it. That consistent minority just can&#8217;t help themselves. </p>
<p>And Mr. Creed, carefully re-read my comment. Your comment says far more about your view of Cape Charles than it does mine. Oh, and the good people of Cape Charles, they&#8217;re the ones that want to see the town grow and prosper, rather than those who are so desperate to sell-up and ship-out.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Creed</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-32860</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Creed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG, Mr. Chandler&#039;s puffed up, portentous, petulant, pomposity seems enchantingly boundless. And he wants a &quot;quality&quot; newspaper which will ignore the unwashed, insular few, in favor of the &quot;good&quot; people of Cape Charles.  And who exactly are the &quot;good&quot; ones? It seems Mr. Chandler and some of our town&#039;s cow pie pilots are operating from what they perceive to be a privileged perspective -- well, there are no privileged perspectives, only multiple points of view. 

All this talk about the negativity of the &lt;em&gt;Wave&lt;/em&gt; makes me want to puke. Whether you consider Southern a &quot;real&quot; journalist, or just a muckraking tabloid monster, the fact is 99% of the time he is merely pointedly restating the obvious, as was the case with this article. Don’t shoot the messenger when you can bitch to the designer. 

You all say you want a quality newspaper, as long as it only prints drool -- pathetic puffball pieces that are careful not to disturb the status quo. You weep for the genteel Cape Charles, yet claim to want the truth. The problem is, you can&#039;t handle the truth, and Southern does not have the luxury of sugar coating the news to make it generically palatable. He has a greater responsibility than to pander to the weepy feelings of gilded cage parakeets unable to shake the hangover induced by years of Cape Charles’ Geritol-laced euphoria. 

Ten years ago I used to say, as Bay Creek goes, so goes Cape Charles. I&#039;m not willing to give up on that idea, yet I really don&#039;t believe it, either. Friendships broken? If the &quot;good&quot; people of this town have given up friendships over something as inherently superficial as politics, than there hardly could have been much there to begin with (I know this; my mom was a Roosevelt Democrat and Dad was a Goldwater Republican, and each election brought with it arguments that would send Lucifer running for cover. However, their love was not drawn along political lines). 

 This same clodpated world view, which claims to be the champion for change, is nothing more than an agent of repression and strangulation. It seems disingenuous and grotesque to use Mr. Southern and the &lt;em&gt;Wave&lt;/em&gt; as a punchline for merely giving voice multiple points of view, no matter how limited your own perspective might be.

 It is true, however, that I don’t give a damn what the summer visitors think of this place. Can’t worry about what you can’t control.  Besides, me and the boys got other things to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, Mr. Chandler&#8217;s puffed up, portentous, petulant, pomposity seems enchantingly boundless. And he wants a &#8220;quality&#8221; newspaper which will ignore the unwashed, insular few, in favor of the &#8220;good&#8221; people of Cape Charles.  And who exactly are the &#8220;good&#8221; ones? It seems Mr. Chandler and some of our town&#8217;s cow pie pilots are operating from what they perceive to be a privileged perspective &#8212; well, there are no privileged perspectives, only multiple points of view. </p>
<p>All this talk about the negativity of the <em>Wave</em> makes me want to puke. Whether you consider Southern a &#8220;real&#8221; journalist, or just a muckraking tabloid monster, the fact is 99% of the time he is merely pointedly restating the obvious, as was the case with this article. Don’t shoot the messenger when you can bitch to the designer. </p>
<p>You all say you want a quality newspaper, as long as it only prints drool &#8212; pathetic puffball pieces that are careful not to disturb the status quo. You weep for the genteel Cape Charles, yet claim to want the truth. The problem is, you can&#8217;t handle the truth, and Southern does not have the luxury of sugar coating the news to make it generically palatable. He has a greater responsibility than to pander to the weepy feelings of gilded cage parakeets unable to shake the hangover induced by years of Cape Charles’ Geritol-laced euphoria. </p>
<p>Ten years ago I used to say, as Bay Creek goes, so goes Cape Charles. I&#8217;m not willing to give up on that idea, yet I really don&#8217;t believe it, either. Friendships broken? If the &#8220;good&#8221; people of this town have given up friendships over something as inherently superficial as politics, than there hardly could have been much there to begin with (I know this; my mom was a Roosevelt Democrat and Dad was a Goldwater Republican, and each election brought with it arguments that would send Lucifer running for cover. However, their love was not drawn along political lines). </p>
<p> This same clodpated world view, which claims to be the champion for change, is nothing more than an agent of repression and strangulation. It seems disingenuous and grotesque to use Mr. Southern and the <em>Wave</em> as a punchline for merely giving voice multiple points of view, no matter how limited your own perspective might be.</p>
<p> It is true, however, that I don’t give a damn what the summer visitors think of this place. Can’t worry about what you can’t control.  Besides, me and the boys got other things to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Kratzer</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-32850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill Kratzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Thomas Giese, for pointing out that the town of Cape Charles already has a wonderful gym! And to Dana Lascu, Impact Fitness is doing very well. I am not concerned about Bay Creek. The people of this county already have a great gym at their fingertips. It&#039;s clean, extremely affordable, offers 19 quality group exercise classes a week in a variety of formats suitable for a wide range of fitness levels, provides community outreach to the students of Cape Charles Christian School with weekly physical education classes as part of their school curriculum requirements, has men&#039;s and women&#039;s locker rooms with shower facilities, a variety of circuit and cardio machines which may not be brand new but they WORK, a free weight area separate from the cardio and circuit machines where members can bench press and lift without getting in the way of others and overall, has a great group of members who are welcoming and friendly. My children and I work extremely hard to keep the gym open and available to the general public. I am not making much of a profit, but I love my members and I love what I do and that&#039;s what makes Impact special. George, don&#039;t worry about Bay Creek. You have a great &quot;beach club&quot; in town. Just like the lyrics in the &quot;Soak up the Sun&quot; song, it&#039;s not having what you want, it&#039;s wanting what you&#039;ve got, and you&#039;ve got it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Thomas Giese, for pointing out that the town of Cape Charles already has a wonderful gym! And to Dana Lascu, Impact Fitness is doing very well. I am not concerned about Bay Creek. The people of this county already have a great gym at their fingertips. It&#8217;s clean, extremely affordable, offers 19 quality group exercise classes a week in a variety of formats suitable for a wide range of fitness levels, provides community outreach to the students of Cape Charles Christian School with weekly physical education classes as part of their school curriculum requirements, has men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s locker rooms with shower facilities, a variety of circuit and cardio machines which may not be brand new but they WORK, a free weight area separate from the cardio and circuit machines where members can bench press and lift without getting in the way of others and overall, has a great group of members who are welcoming and friendly. My children and I work extremely hard to keep the gym open and available to the general public. I am not making much of a profit, but I love my members and I love what I do and that&#8217;s what makes Impact special. George, don&#8217;t worry about Bay Creek. You have a great &#8220;beach club&#8221; in town. Just like the lyrics in the &#8220;Soak up the Sun&#8221; song, it&#8217;s not having what you want, it&#8217;s wanting what you&#8217;ve got, and you&#8217;ve got it!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Lascu</title>
		<link>https://capecharleswave.com/2015/07/an-outsiders-view-of-bay-creeks-new-beach-club/#comment-32826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana Lascu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron Wrucke: Why exactly are you assuming I am not a member? I am, and I feel so very entitled to an opinion.  Gated communities, in principle, suck -- for, among others, the reasons brought forth by the above dialogue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Wrucke: Why exactly are you assuming I am not a member? I am, and I feel so very entitled to an opinion.  Gated communities, in principle, suck &#8212; for, among others, the reasons brought forth by the above dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Campbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Boytos: The roads were plowed at 8 a.m. (albeit one lane) around my home. It was still snowing.  They came back again a little after 9 for another pass.  I went into town this morning and in my opinion the Bay Creek roads are in equal or better shape than the roads in town.  Bayside Village is also passable but the Club like just about everything else in Northampton County is closed today as it should be.  The level of investment in snow removal equipment that might get used once per year is always debatable but I have to commend the crew on doing a great job this year. Regarding the Beach Club location, I was told that the original plan was to locate it at the beach but the blowing sand was a concern and the location they chose allowed them to take advantage of the higher elevation.  I would rather see some water than just the backs of dunes.  

Kearn Schemm: Of course the author can write about anything he wants. For good or bad the Internet has allowed anyone to call themselves a writer or reporter.  But it is the unnecessary negativity and divisiveness that has people complaining, and has led, in my opinion, to people believing that the &lt;em&gt;Wave&lt;/em&gt; is not to be taken seriously. The poor journalist style of the opinion pieces will only hinder the growth of the &lt;em&gt;Wave&lt;/em&gt; and alienate advertisers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Boytos: The roads were plowed at 8 a.m. (albeit one lane) around my home. It was still snowing.  They came back again a little after 9 for another pass.  I went into town this morning and in my opinion the Bay Creek roads are in equal or better shape than the roads in town.  Bayside Village is also passable but the Club like just about everything else in Northampton County is closed today as it should be.  The level of investment in snow removal equipment that might get used once per year is always debatable but I have to commend the crew on doing a great job this year. Regarding the Beach Club location, I was told that the original plan was to locate it at the beach but the blowing sand was a concern and the location they chose allowed them to take advantage of the higher elevation.  I would rather see some water than just the backs of dunes.  </p>
<p>Kearn Schemm: Of course the author can write about anything he wants. For good or bad the Internet has allowed anyone to call themselves a writer or reporter.  But it is the unnecessary negativity and divisiveness that has people complaining, and has led, in my opinion, to people believing that the <em>Wave</em> is not to be taken seriously. The poor journalist style of the opinion pieces will only hinder the growth of the <em>Wave</em> and alienate advertisers.</p>
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